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FYI: 2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay
FYI: There are 2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay:
The first one is in the USA and the second one in Germany.
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Were they available with a bench or bucket seat option?
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The second one is from the former President of the German Alfa 2600 club. As far as I know it is a near perfect car!
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Were they available with a bench or bucket seat option?
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Note also the trim differences of Series 1 and 2 cars, specifically the side spears on the front and rear fenders.
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2600 Sedans
Reudi,
Both of these are second series without the rear chrome around wheels. I thought they would both have had floor boxes (5 speed, of course) but the one in the US has the five in the tree. Since no 2600 sedan (just as my two liter sedan) will ever be a race car I sort of like the shift on the column as long as the linkage is tight enough so the shift lever doesn't get broken off (as the two previous owners both did on mine). I actually have a 2600 box in my two liter and more than merely the rear drive line is different. Two liter driveline has both an eight bolt metalastic/guido/dounut and a six bolt one. The 2600 has the same guido as on a giulia but then has two universal joints.
And I must report that the front seat does lie down flat enough for a queen size bed. What I liked in my early youth however was that it could haul six people in fairly decent comfort at 100 mph+. But we were all stupid then and noone used seat belts. Man what I didn't know might have killed me. As far as all that goes, I once recall running Seattle Internation Raceways track in a 1969 Olds Vista Cruiser with the rear seats down and six kids rolling first to one side and then the other on turns. If anyone tried that now he would be charged with a felony.
PS. I think that rear view mirror on the German car looks dorky.
JAY
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Jay,
Sorry, I respectfully disagree with some of your comments:
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Both of these are second series without the rear chrome around wheels.
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I thought they would both have had floor boxes (5 speed, of course) but the one in the US has the five in the tree.
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For all I know (which isn't really all that much), all Series 1 Berlinas had column shift. The single volume parts catalog Pub. 992 and the 2-volume parts catalogs Pub. 1147 and 1164 seem to provide ample support of my notion that floor shift was not even an option for Berlinas before Series 2 (and RHD cars) were introduced.
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PS. I think that rear view mirror on the German car looks dorky.
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Yes, but if this is the only flaw the car has, (which easily can be corrected,) the new owner still can be very happy.
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You are right.
The ebay pictures confirm that the American car offered for sale is a series one car. On the ABB thread it has the side chromes too. I just did not see the treatment of chrome over the the rear wheels and forgot to check out ebay first. Remember Reudi that I had one of each, and Tom Zat towed one behind my damaged two liter sedan and his wife, Dale, towed the other behind his sprint back to Alfa Heaven in Wisconsin in 1976. I had taken the transmission out of the first one (a columm shift) for my two liter sedan. The second one did not have the side trim and had separate seats with floor box. I found the first car sitting in a field near Fort Sill where the artillery sergeant left it when he could not get it running again and the rear end was locked up. The second one was in a tow yard just out side of Reno. That second one was the one Tom Zat and I put into the concours as a mystery car at the First Seattle Convention. We had to use a pair of vise grips to block off a rear brake line to drive it there but it was well? received. Tom was going to make a stretch 2600 limo out of the two of them and install a system to run it on propane. But he got sick and never got around to that. And that is one of the reasons he is no longer active in Alfa circles. But he is one we should be trying to get interested in getting involved on the BB.
Don't recall what else you commented on, but the 2600 sedans need power steering far more than even sprints. Has the same speedo with the roll out tape system as two liter sedan. Sedan engines have cam covers without any notch for the cross over for intake manifold system of spider and sprint. Check with Adrian. He got a cam cover from one of these.
May, you stay up late.
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2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay (1)
I have seen the German car myself a couple of times and I can say that it is very good, although the coachwork has been touched up in the past rather crudely. It is by far the best 2600 Berlina I have ever seen.
Unless I am very much mistaken, the American car used to be owned by Herman ten Velden from Houten, Holland until at least 2005. Herman bought the 1962 car at www.automusa.nl a few years ago. They in turn bought it in Italy where it was owned by an old doctor. The car has a few non-original items such as the roof mounted rear view mirror and the cam cover, which is actually a sprint/spider one. The air conditioning does not work; it is made by Autoclima and uses a huge York compressor which will no doubt suck up a lot of the engine's power in working condition. The car did run at the time. The German car is a much better car and I think it ought to fetch at least € 17500.
As for the 2600 instruments, I am installing Brazilian FNM 2150 instruments in my own 2600 Berlina, to replace the original linear speedometer. Since I am also doing a conversion to floorshift (incl. the steering column bracket) this seems to me a better combination. My restoration is going well. We are starting to build up the car now. The coach work has become very nice.
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2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay (2)
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2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay (3)
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2 excellent 2600 Berlinas on eBay (4)
Last ones from the US car on sale. Additionally, an image from my FNM 2150 instrument panel which I am installing, as well as two pictures from my car as it looked in June of this year. I apologize for the quality of the pictures. I took them at 8.9 MB and I needed to reduce the filesize to have them accepted on this website. I am still looking for a good Mac application to do this quickly.
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Eric Harrison photographed the American 2600 Berlina when it was up for sale at Automusa in the Netherlands, a number of years ago. There are still some pictures he took available on the old website of the UK 2000/2600 club. You can find them here, here and here.
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Eric Harrison photographed the American 2600 Berlina when it was up for sale at Automusa in the Netherlands, a number of years ago. There are still some pictures he took available on the old website of the UK 2000/2600 club. You can find them here, here and here.
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Tom Zat towed one behind my damaged two liter sedan and his wife, Dale, towed the other behind his sprint back to Alfa Heaven in Wisconsin in 1976.
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The second one was in a tow yard just out side of Reno. That second one was the one Tom Zat and I put into the concours as a mystery car at the First Seattle Convention. We had to use a pair of vise grips to block off a rear brake line to drive it there but it was well? received.
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I remember reading that story, too, but I never saw pictures of the car in the middle of the concours. However, I have a hunch this car may have been shown on page 6 of "The 2000/2600 Newsletter" Vol. 4, Fall 1984 (see 2nd picture below). Jay, can you confirm whether this is correct?
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Tom was going to make a stretch 2600 limo out of the two of them and install a system to run it on propane. But he got sick and never got around to that. And that is one of the reasons he is no longer active in Alfa circles. But he is one we should be trying to get interested in getting involved on the BB.
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Yes, both he and Dale would be wonderful additions to AlfaBB. I gained a great deal of respect for Dale when I realized that she must have done an incredible amount of work on the 2000/2600 newsletters and knows a lot about these cars.
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