2600 wheels

[D&SW]

Adrian;

would you please email me to discuss the knockoff and splines..

many thanks

David

[D&SW]

I have had another discussion with Dayton; they have been working on an alloy rim wheel in 6" to be mated to their steel wire/steel hub units; the issue is getting a source for the 6" rim that is most conducive to modern tires; they hope to have an answer in a few weeks; currently they offer a 5" alloy rim/steel combo for Ferraris but they haven't nailed down a supplier arrangement for a 6" wide rim;

Dayton makes the hubs and wires but rims are sourced out of house.
(the hub issue is taken care of by their existing K/O adapter which converts bolt hubs to spline)

I am probably making an unwise leap in judgment here, but I assume that if we can come up with a list of names and emails of interested buyers it might provide that extra bit of motivation for them to put this combo together especially since they did not insist on a certain minimum initial order.


David

[2600]

Hi David,
Did you get my E-mail re. the hubs and knockoffs?
Adrian

[D&SW]

Ladies and gentlemen, the results from Borrani via Dragone (CT) are in:

a set of 4 genuine Borrani wheels for the 2600 are available as follows:

6 x 16, alloy rims, chromed steel wires (not stainless), with hub adapters
run $ 7,400. They will also do a set of 5 so that there is a matching spare; cost is proportionately higher. I did not inquire about "group-buy" prices pending word from Dayton.

As soon as I hear something from Dayton on their setup and I will post the info....if they have something to offer, I would like to solicit input from board readers on the options and which option anyone might be interested in.

to summarize, the options would be:

Dayton: Steel rims, stainless wires ($ 2,600) drawback: wieght

Dayton: Alloy rims, stainless steel wires ( ? ) (info pending)
similar to Borranis
Re-Originals: Alloy rims, stainless spokes; ($ 5,600) requires a minimum commitment i.e. a group buy or waiting list until enough people make firm deposits

Borranis: The original alloy rims, chromed steel wires ($ 7,400)


David

[D&SW]

Ladies and gentlemen, the results from Borrani via Dragone (CT) are in:

a set of 4 genuine Borrani wheels for the 2600 are available as follows:

6 x 16, alloy rims, chromed steel wires (not stainless), with hub adapters
run $ 7,400. They will also do a set of 5 so that there is a matching spare; cost is proportionately higher. I did not inquire about "group-buy" prices (I wouldn't expect much insofar as a discount) pending word from Dayton.

As soon as I hear something from Dayton on their setup I will post the info....if they have something to offer, I would like to solicit input from board readers on the options and which option anyone might be interested in.

to summarize, the options to date appear to be:

Dayton: Steel rims, stainless wires ($ 2,600) drawback: weight

Dayton: Alloy rims, stainless steel wires ( ? ) (info pending)
similar to Borranis; no minimum order

Re-Originals: Alloy rims, stainless spokes; ($ 5,600) requires a minimum commitment i.e. a group buy or waiting list until enough people make firm deposits

Borranis: The original: alloy rims, chromed steel wires ($ 7,400) no minimum order; single sets can be ordered.


David

[aenlle]

I would be interested in a group buy. I am finishing up my forever project 1957 Touring CSS and would like to upgrade to the alloy rimmed Borranis. Will they come with Alfa script knock offs?

Ed Aenlle Fallbrook, CA

[D&SW]

Borranis come with Alfa Script K-O.

Dayton's quote is based on plain K-O, 2 ear or 3 ear or
American style octagonal K-O

Re-Originals is with script

BTW I hope to re-contact Dayton shortly to see if they have made progress on sourcing the alloy rim.

David

[alfa soon]

Kind of off topic, but there is a set of correct bolt pattern 5 x 114.3 decent looking 15" wires in new condition on Bay Area craigslist. I'd be willing to do a little foot work for anyone interested in the set. They are $500. The only hold up is the offset is medium to high, and would require spacers.

PM me if interested in contact with seller.

[spiderman2600]

Adrian ,
how much for the hubs and knock offs?
mail me at nanny.marc@hetnet.nl

[D&SW]

Last word from Dayton

I talked to them today....they are unable to come up with a supplier for a 6" alum rim to meet their price/profit points and are not going to invest in any manuf capacity to make them themselves; They just don't think there is much of a demand for a 6 x 16 wire wheel; (I think most vintage Ferraris and such use a 15" and that's were they see the market)

this means no option from Dayton other than steel spokes/steel rims; I asked them about the weight of a 6 x 16 in that configuration; they estimate 30 lbs a wheel.

so we're back to the options of

Dayton's heavier wheel, $ 2,600 a set

Borrani's $ 7,400 a set

well, I tried...

anyone have any suggestions?

David

[67alloy]

David
I can certainly appreciate all the chasing you have done to get the answers from these people (I wish someone would pursue doing a repro 2600 Weber manifold with such zeal- I would guarantee that overnight 25% of all those cars sitting and rotting would have a second chance at life!), but I still am unclear as to what YOU want to do with your car.

Seems the weight issue of the Daytons is negligible, given all the weight (granted, not unsprung) hanging EVERYWHERE on these cars. Plus, I would like a little tougher rim (steel) if I was just banging around doing street driving.

The trade off for all that is you can use modern, tubeless tires with the Dayton rim design, which I think is what you are after.

For my semi-high performance application, I am happy with the stock centers, cut out and rewelded (in the age of computer die cutting, balancing and hi-tech welding) on 15" hoops. Stance makes all the difference on these cars and you can see a skewed one coming a mile away. Exhibit "A" would be the green Sprint that sold recently in Oregon. The new owner is having clearance problems with the "mags" and I am trying to help source a set of stock wheels for him.

Spiders look good with wires and would actually add value to your car if executed correctly. I'd spring for Borrani spinners maybe, but not the whole wheel.

cheers

[D&SW]

I believe I will go for the Daytons with a 3 ear spinner...I'm not looking for a performance wheel. (for better or worse, "pimping my ride" probably best describes what I want)

understanding the general heaviness of the car I agree on the weight issue;
and the 2600 spiders do look very good with wires.....also I want a modern tire on the car

I was chasing the grail based on early, hopeful conversations with Dayton....it was worth a shot and i don't regret the effort involved. I just had my Solex'es worked on including new secondary diaphragms (at no small cost) and they're working quite nicely, or I'd pursue the Weber option as a new challenge.

regards,

David

[67alloy]

The marque needs active proponents like yourself! Well done, Don Quixote!

BTW, how much did you have to pay for the secondary diaphragms, and where did you end up buying them?

[D&SW]

The secondary diaphragms were about $ 90. a piece, parts only. Local Merc dealer wanted over $ 130 apiece. (This is when 3 carbs doesn't seem like such a great idea)

I got them from a Mercedes 190SL specialist in TX...I can get you the name if you wish.

regards,

David

[touring63]

Hallo, bei Dayton gibt es mehrere Chromspeichenräder für den AR 2600:
W42
1.) XD723C 5x16 ET-10mm mit Adapter und 114,3(4,5inc) auf Bestellung
W42
2.) XDXK165C 5x16 ET-0 mm dto.
3.) XDJB165C 5x16 ET-5 mm dto.
4.) XDEB165C 5x16 ET-2 mm dto.

Preis für 4 Stk. ca. € 3500,- inkl. Adapter und Verschlüsse

Weiters passen die 52er 5x16 Chromspeichenräder vom Jaguar XK mit der geringeren Einpresstiefe. Es gibt zwei verschiedene 1x mit 14,5 ET und die, die auch am Alfa passen mit ET- 8 mm.
Diese Felgen gibt es bei MWS mit ungebohrten Adaptern, wo der 114,3 genau gebohrt werden kann. Dayton liefert die Adapter gebohrt.
Bei diesen Felgen ist der Abstand auf der Radinnenseite zwischen Radhaus und Felge 6,5 cm genau gleich wie bei der Stahlfelge.

Reifen: Michelin-X 5.50x16 kostet ca. €150,- und sind nur 3mm höher als der 165x400 (ca.180,-)

LG
Bernhard