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2600 Bearings, seals etc - UPDATE

Hi,

I have finally gotten round to modifying the Excel document that is posted elsewhere on this board with the seals I found for my 1963 2600.

This updated document also includes info on Flying Dutchman Water pumps in Oregon (who rebuilt my water pump for $200).

Hope other Alfista find this helpful.

I used Kelly Supply Co for the seals:

KSC Direct
Rick Roggenkamp
1800 918 8939 x 401
rrogg@kellysupply.com

Best,

John
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Thanks for the updated and expanded list, John!

When you talked to KSC, did they comment on quality differences among manufacturers and/or make recommendations regarding manufacturer preferences?

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I did not discuss this. I told Rick what the particular seal was for and he sent 'em!

He was very helpful so might be worth a call.

I have had no leakage on any of the seals - but have only put a few hundred miles on the car since I got it back on the road, so that's not really much of a test.

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John,

Thanks for updating the list!

There were some recent recommendations for The Flying Dutchman on one of the Maserati sites. Sounds like a good resource.

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Thanks john
I have contacted someone in France who is looking to find the original bearings and seals(so far the smaller seal has been located and I will be getting a few)
I will let you know if we get the bearings and worms..
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does someone have the original numbers for the bearings in the GEMMER steeringhouse

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Hi have a set of new ones and the seals to
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Hi Herve,

how much do you ask for this set ?


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my cost was $225 with the shipping...
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front bearing seals 2000

I just pulled a seal from one front hub. The old felt seal looked fine, but since I was there, replacement seemed the prudent thing to do. The seals provided by my local supplier are ABI (Automotive Bearing International) #224772, 47 mm x72 mm x 8mm, same as for the 2600. My questions regard the spacer between the seal and the bearing. One side is chamfered on the inner edge. It fell as I pulled the seal, and I do not know which side goes in or out, if it matters at all. I see no reason for the chamfer. More critical, is that the new rubber seal is enclosed only on one side by steel. I have always installed seals like this with the open side inwards, but in this case there would be no surface for the spacer to fit against. Does it matter which way the seal is installed? I will talk to the seal/ bearing guy tomorrow, but any advice from you Alfa cognoscenti would be much appreciated.

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front axle seals

I am new to this discussion, but now that I pulled a front seal on my 2000, I see the problem. (parts numbers for 2000 and 2600 are same) It does not match the dimensions given in Mott's "updated" file. The stub axle shaft diameter is 45 mm, not 47mm. The thickness of the bearing casing is 9mm, not 8mm. Most disturbing is that the old style is completely encased in steel and, apparently, holds the bearing in place. Never seen this before.

If seals of the wrong dimensions were used, I can understand the questions about leakage. My bearing/seal guy is trying to chase down the original AR part number. I will also contact KSC. Thanks John, for this valuable contact.

Please straighten me out if my thinking is flawed.

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Hi,

From my point of view, there is a small mistake on the xls file :
The differential Front Pinion Bearing dimensions are 35mm X 72mm X 24,250mm (not 35mm X 72mm X 23mm)

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I am new to this discussion, but now that I pulled a front seal on my 2000, I see the problem. (parts numbers for 2000 and 2600 are same) It does not match the dimensions given in Mott's "updated" file. The stub axle shaft diameter is 45 mm, not 47mm. The thickness of the bearing casing is 9mm, not 8mm. Most disturbing is that the old style is completely encased in steel and, apparently, holds the bearing in place. Never seen this before.

If seals of the wrong dimensions were used, I can understand the questions about leakage. My bearing/seal guy is trying to chase down the original AR part number. I will also contact KSC. Thanks John, for this valuable contact.

Please straighten me out if my thinking is flawed.

Barry
I found this same seal on the 2600 SZ I'm restoring. It has a 45mm ID as opposed to the 47mm that would typically be found. I guess Alfa just used a different spindle on some of these cars.

SKF part number 17778 is the one you need if you find that you have a 45mm ID wheel seal in your 102/106. It is 45X72X8.

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It is possible that the differences are due to modifications Alfa Romeo introduced in TSB 1.05.030, dated 21-Oct-1963, using different stub axles and thrust washers. I do not have a copy of TSB 1.01.106 with lubrication specs.
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