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J-hook

The POCF came with a sort of J-hook. However, I can't find anything down in the top bay that provides a place to hook it. Given that it's an aftermarket top, it's possible that it needs an accompanying bracket bolted in down there to have some place to connect.


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Don

You could use a simple J-hook, as ALFA did on the last series of Spider hardtops.
Simplistic .. if not somewhat crude.
http://http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/spider-1966-up/30782-attaching-hardtop-1985-spider.html

This link may provide some ideas:
Hardtop ? Valve Chatter

If you decide to attach a latch to the top, you may find what you need on page 14 in this catalogue:
Europa Specialist Spares Ltd

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Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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I believe Mark's pictures are in this thread (I found it googling for "ironblock 102 hardtop site:www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/1900-2000-2600-1950-1968/" where it showed up as the second link).

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Progress on POCF

I got the aftermarket fiberglass top back from Johnny's upholstery. I like his work. As this top didn't have a headliner originally, just a sort of stick-on foam, I fabbed side panels to make it look less like the bilge of a cheap bass boat, and picked a nice off-white headliner material. Well, Helen picked it. She's got most of the taste in the family.

The original hold-downs were crude, so I'm fiddling with ways to improve upon them. I'm pretty sure that the mid-point hold downs (just behind the seats) must have used a sort of tab-washer under the soft top pivot bolt. That should be easy enough to make. The front, being even more visible, I hope to convert to the toggle-over pieces as are on the soft top. An adapter plate will be required, but again, not a terribly difficult chore.

I've got the rear rubber cushion-seal in place (aircraft wing-root seal), and found a good looking side window seal that is now hammered into place. Looks good. I've not yet sorted out the forward seal. The piece used by Alfa for their hardtop won't work. A piece from a 750 soft top might. I've got a piece of that, but have ordered another 102 soft top front seal to see if that will fit better. There's almost certainly an American aftermarket seal that would match the original, but I've not run down that path yet.

The "chrome" trim around the rain gutters is a Boka plastic edge strip. It comes with a bead of glue inside, which is supposed to bond once it's in place. Hope so.

Anyway, today's first test fit turned up a few issues, but all-in-all, much forward progress.

"Tank" said he'd have the metal hard top done by March 15. I found on Thursday that he hasn't sent out the chrome to be redone yet. Any bets on March 15? Nah. Didn't think so.
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Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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POCF fitted

Got all the hooks in place, and have fitted up the POCF hardtop. It fits amazingly well. The original system used nasty hand-crafted, bent hooks with threads on one end to grab things. I've used the original style toggle-over grapples for the two side hold-downs, and just the hook and RH-LH nut system from the original style grapples for the front. I'm going to clean up the front installation slightly by making my own upper studs, but for now it looks OK, and works.

If this were to be my only top, I might have the convertible top tonneau cover modified with a small cut-out for the securing hooks. As 95% of my driving will be as a convertible, I won't do that. Keeping the clean lines.

I figured out a way for the toggle-over grapples to reach down and grab under the main convertible top frame rod. It seems quite secure, and again, no animals or original Touring components have been harmed or modified. I'll face a more difficult decision when I get the factory top done and have to consider drilling the hole in the upper skin for the hold-down bolt.

I've been leaning toward molding a new rear plexiglass window, as the original shows some age. I've polished on it for many hours, and it would serve, but crystal-clear plexi would be nice. However, I took a closer look today, and it is definitely a compound curve. The entire span is sort of bulged outward. That would require a substantially more complicated mold than a simple drape-over affair. More thinking to do. The new rear window sealing rubber should arrive early this coming week.

The emblem on the side was made by a fellow up in Canada who advertised on the BB that he was having his machinist make a run of 10" emblems just for fun. Being CAD driven, it was not a big deal to get him to make some in the same diameter as the cloisonne emblem in the middle of our grilles. The side hold-down grapple is attached at this point with a simple bolt through the side of the top. Inelegant engineering. By having the bolt go through this emblem, it hides the castle-nutted bolt head, and finishes it off nicely. Yeah - not even remotely mimicking the original top, but that's sort of the point. I can do whatever is necessary to make this one hold together.

Next on the list this week is to change the engine front plate in a manner that will allow me to put the original air cleaner in place, so I can test the new first-production plenum for the OKP manifold set-up.

Two freshly powder coated wheels are being sent off to Stockton wheel to be straightened. So, I've taken off the Pirellis for now, and back to the Dayton wires. The aftermarket hubcaps have been shipped back to Nuvolari Ricambi in Italy, as they were just crap. Delivered with major wrinkling around the sides, and slightly too small in diameter to fit without having to bang them so hard I expected to collapse the thin metal. Nuvolari admitted knowing about the defects, but didn't tell me prior to selling them. If you bought some from them, you might take a quick look to see the condition of yours.

I've shipped six OE hubcaps up to Art's in Seattle. They have good reviews, and I got feel-good from my correspondence with them.

Off for Mexican food.


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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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From the photographs it is hard to tell that the top is not original. The emblem adds a nice finishing touch. The original rear window should be fine for occasional use.

Regarding the original hub caps, I noticed long ago that they were more or less 'fitted' to the three (or four?) retainer post on each wheel. If you turn the hub cap while holding it against the posts, you will notice a place where it sort of 'sinks in' or fits the posts. At this point, you can easily slide the hub cap over two of the posts. Then with the heal of your palm or a rubber mallet pop the cap over the remaining post.

One trick that I found to remove the hub caps was to use two or three nylon bicycle tire tools, which I sharpened a little with a file. They could be slid under the hub cap and two tire tools could pry the cap off without scratching the paint on the wheels.

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Hello Don,

Just a small question.
Do you know if the 2000 rods can be use on the 2300 Crankshaft ? (I don't have the 2300 crankshaft with me ...)
They are similar to the 2300 rods but the base is larger than the 2000 rods.
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I did try to warn about the repo hub caps on other threads . Mine from classic alfa were exactly the same thin chrome and too small, so crome split as I tried to fit them . Classic Alfa were very good and offered to take a return and refund. However, I have taken the approach of fitting them once with new tyres , 5 years ago ago and they haven't been off since so they still look OK. Still just the one split.

If anyone has to fit these hubcaps it might be worth swapping one of the hard rounded studs which the hub caps fit over for a VW type hub cap spring clip. This would also overcome the problem of older hub caps coming lose and rattling

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Ian,

Yes, I was aware of your warning, but did not see any other option than to try them. I would have accepted some compromise, as these would have been an alternative set of wheels and tires to my wire wheels. I just had to admit there were too many compromises, and the vendor was willing to take them back, but unwilling to warrant against damage caused during installation.

I've gone back to trying to have some original caps restored.

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Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Don, Roof looks the goods. That chrome / stainless strip that goes along the roof drip rail from top of windscreen post to the door handle - is that factory or you made it ?

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This top is an aftermarket, fiberglass horror. The "chrome" strip is a flexible plastic extrusion like you might put on your door edge to prevent parking lot dings. It's what the top manufacturer originally used, and looks fine if you don't get too close, expecting fine Italian coachwork.

I thought by now I'd have this top ready for use. While attempting to reinstall the original plexi rear window, I found that it was cut too small. Thus, it tended to slide around inside the rubber gasket and pop free with the slightest of pressure. So, I've got to make a form and mold a new one. Sigh.

I'm also fabricating new hold-downs for the front grapples. That part is easy, compared to molding a new window.

Don P
Carson City, NV

Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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While attempting to reinstall the original plexi rear window, I found that it was cut too small. Thus, it tended to slide around inside the rubber gasket and pop free with the slightest of pressure. So, I've got to make a form and mold a new one... part is easy, compared to molding a new window.
Perhaps you can find a rear window gasket with thicker rubber to better fit the window.

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Actually, all of the commercially available gaskets I've found are slightly more narrow than the one that came on the top. Given the well-worn surfaces of the plexi, and the crude cutting job around the edges, it makes sense to fab a new window and use a new, smaller gasket. The original gasket is quite a blob, so I'll end up better off all around.

Just gotta find an opening in the job queue.

Don P
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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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Hello Don,

Just a small question.
Do you know if the 2000 rods can be use on the 2300 Crankshaft ? (I don't have the 2300 crankshaft with me ...)
They are similar to the 2300 rods but the base is larger than the 2000 rods.
I believe the 2300 rods are identical to 2000 rods. My 2300 rods have a "102..." part number cast into them, but I didn't note the rest of the number.

The rod bearings are the same for the 2000 and 2300. So is the piston pin.

I don't know what you mean by "the base is larger...".

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Past Alfas...
59 102 Touring (first Alfa $500 running)
65 Sprint GT (2nd Alfa, $500 daily driver)
102 Sprint (never did anything with it, but wish I had)
74 Berlina (first new car - now certainly rusted into oblivion)
61 Giulietta Spider G-Prod Race Car (where is it now?)
84 Spider Veloce (rarely drove it, so sold it)
86 Quadrifoglio (Dull car - no more 115s for me)
1971 Montreal "The Full Monty". Fair winds and following seas

Current Alfas
59 102 Touring Roadster - restoration complete, enough Alfa for any rational man. Or irrational, for that matter
And past...
Two 1946 Stampe SV4C (c/n 294 "Rocinante" - wife's favorite airplane. RIP), and c/n 235 "La Bon Temps Femme" (gone to a new home, but never forgotten)
Zlin 50LA (+9 -6 gees, titanium spar, 1200 lbs, 260HP rumored to now be in Brazil)
1946 Luscombe 8A
Starduster Too (recently spotted at the Nevada City, CA airport - over 20 years and an entire continent separating it from our stewardship in Binghamton, NY)
1955 Cessna 170B (wife taught me to fly tailwheel in this)

And present...
64 Mooney M20E ("Rambo". My faithful steed for over 30 years) Nearly 50 years old, and just returned from a trip to Argentina in him
Newest in the fleet
1967 Piper Super Cub on Wipline amphibious floats (a true "all terrain vehicle")
2010 Triumph Thunderbird


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