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Old 11-27-2008, 04:33 PM
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alfa 2000 touring spider back seat

Hi All,

Can someone give me an original picture of the alfa 2000 touring spider tipo 59 back seat.

Rgds Franco
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Old 11-30-2008, 12:00 PM
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Smile Two liter spider back seat?

Franco, the parts book does indeed show a back seat for a spider. But I have only seen two of them that I believed had come from the factory in the thirteen spiders I have owned. One that came in a 1962 European version from Switzerland that I sold years ago is still in my favorite car. I kept it as well as the Nardi wheel, the metal fairings at the bottom of the engine compartment, and the hard top. That seat, however, looks very similar to what you show in your first photo, the black "jump seat". It is of foam rubber (typical italian type that rotted and was replaced when recovered) but consisted mainly of a flat piece with a piece area cut down to fit the center hump. I used that seat early on as a place to let a couple of my earliest kids sleep (I have nine), but for the most part consider any back seat entirely impractical. To use it a normal sized human being must sit sideways. There is NO LEG ROOM unless the driver is a midget. I consiuder the back seat pad a something merely to cover the carpeting on what I call the package shelf. I scoured the country to find my two liter sedan because I wanted to be able to take more than my Honeymom and a kid or two to Alfa functions of the NW Alfa Romeo Club. Finally the older ones started driving Alfa cars themselves so we could all get there. A couple turned into really good race car drivers, but a couple others had their cars taken away and had to drive corvairs (one even a corvair station wagon with automatic transmission that had a truth telling sign "zero to sixty in ten minutes") to prevent tickets. Use the seat you have. Embellish it as you wish yourself. Whatever you do would be an improvement, but still worthless as a back seat. The 2600, however, was able to get the back of the back seat further back by hanging the seat edge on the back of the "well" pushing against the folded up top. Still, even the 2600 back seat only works if the driver is a midget. No one actually buys a spider to haul more than two people. The name -- spider -- comes from a type of sporty light horse carriage made for only two people. If you want a back seat, buy a sedan. Otherwise call it what it is, a parcel shelf. You can carry a couple spare cases of oil, for example, that you buy on a special sale. I even was able to stuff a 10 speed bicycle back there with the top up once I took the wheels off. My earliest memory of a two liter included riding with a fellow ski patroller as he "trolled" up and down Bertesgarden streets until he could get a "strike" from a couple Frauleins (always in pairs) which would thereafter require me to sit in back sideways while he drove around shifting their knees. When finally he would find an appropriate gasthaus he would go in with them (Old Vat 69, he said, was the fastest way to really get to know girls), and he would throw me the keys and tell me to drive around for a while. That is how I became an Alfaholic. The car had been the factory demonstrator car, and had a special factory prepared engine (weber carbs, dry sump, etc because Alfa salesmen wanted to demonstrate a hot car even if the final version was neutered for mass production and sale). I could pass any car on the autobahn, even ones passing other cars. But, for your information, I still recall how the back seat made my posterior hurt.
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:23 PM
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Back seat

Hi
i do have a back seat on mine and when i used the car for a very short period, my children, who were very young managed to sit 'comfortably'.

i will try to get a photo of it but i cannot do this immediately as to get to the seat i need to move two cars and climb a ladder to get to it.

someone already made a copy of it in malta but i understand that the cover is not original.

regards

charles
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Old 12-02-2008, 01:21 AM
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Hi My 2600 also has no rear seat and in my search for a template I discovered this car for sale and the photo of the seat. I am unsure as to if it is correct in style.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:13 AM
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Why or why not use a 2600 rear seat in a two liter?

Nice condition rear seat, and really clean, but clearly for a 2600. The edge is "hung" on the rear lip of the cockpit (the front lip of the rear deck) by use of tenax fasteners using the entire "well" for the top. The back of the seat is actually against the folded up top. The back has to be unsnapped around the top of the rear so the soft top can be unfolded and put up, the rear bow of the top held on the chromed "hooks" attached to the plates over the shock tower covers.

The two liter has the same way of holding the rear edge of the top by means of the chromed pieces over the shock towers, but the rear edge of the seat is about a foot to the front because of a fixed edge of steel outlining the front side of the well dedicated entirely as a place into which the two liter top folds. This is in front of the front edge of the rear deck of the car and covered by a small tonneau. No two liter with its dedicated top storage well could be so luxurious as to have as elegant padding of bottom and rear. As I said previously, one's posterior soon starts hurting in the back seat of a two liter because that person has to be seated sideways unless an infant or with midget drivers.

However, except for ruining originality (which might or might not mean the car value would be harmed), if someone really wanted to have what might at best still be only a semi usable rear seat in a two liter I suspect that fixed front edge of a two liter could be out and removed and a 2600 rear seat arrangement installed. I don't know why anyone would want to go through such trouble for the less than totally acceptable result (meaning the arrangment on a 2600 doesn't give much of a seat either), but it could easily be done -- especially in the latest of the two liters which had tenax fasteners all the way around on the rear edge of the tonneau as compared to those earliest ones which had three "common sense" (a slot with a turner) fasteners on each side used by the top too. I'm sorry, but I do not know the exact chassis number on which the changeover occurred -- maybe on those made mid 1961?
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:31 AM
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I cannot help much at this stage as my car is still dismantled but i surely do not remember the back being padded as i have seen in the photo.
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Old 12-26-2008, 09:14 AM
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Back seat

Hi Franco,

i do not know if you managed to find more information on the back seat. i have found part of mine and am enclosing pictures hoping that they will be useful.
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