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Yes, apologies for taking this thread off at a tangent. One thought has occurred to me (and I might be completely wrong, of course ...). Since Italy is (or was) full of little carrozzerie, could it be the case that this car was involved in an accident at some time in its early life, and the owner maybe decided to commission someone to remodel it in the fashion of the new Rivolta? There are plenty of stories of this happening to other cars from other marques, especially competition cars. Just wondering if this is a theory that can be shot down in flames right away, or not! 
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07-12-2005, 08:10 PM
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There are some weird enough elements on the red car to be Vignale, and there was a series of 47 Vignale bodied 106s (Delmas Greene owns one), but we do not know how many body variations there are amongst the 47 cars. It would be nice if someone could go see the car and get the serial number, which would provide a lot more information.
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07-13-2005, 03:39 AM
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3500 Supersport
What about the rear of the red spider? Don't you agree that it somewhat resembles the rear of the 1960 Alfa Romeo 3500 Supersport by Pininfarina?
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07-13-2005, 06:33 AM
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Not to my eye. The 6c3000CM pictured above has a read similar to a Duetto. The "unknown" car has a much squarer rear.
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07-13-2005, 08:48 AM
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Stu:
Isn't Delmas Greene's Vignale coupe actually a 102 series car and not a 106 as you stated? I judged that car several years ago and recall the cast iron 2 liter under the hood and the distinctive 102 nose and scoops.
I think that all these special bodied cars are pretty cool, even the ugly ones... 
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07-13-2005, 12:51 PM
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2000 Coupé by Vignale
Here's a picture of the engine bay of the Vignale bodied 2000 Coupé. The car is indeed a 102 series car by the looks of the four cylinder engine.
Maybe the red spider isn't a 106 series Alfa Romeo after all...
I did send an email to Stefano Paracchi a week ago, requesting more information the red spider, but I haven't received a reply yet.
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07-13-2005, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by K_Dijkhuizen
What about the rear of the red spider? Don't you agree that it somewhat resembles the rear of the 1960 Alfa Romeo 3500 Supersport by Pininfarina?
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I think it's closer to a Ferrari 330 GT (see picture below from ultimatecarpage.com with image credits to Wouter Melissen) or the already mentioned Fiat 2300S (picture from a Quattroruote ad).
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07-13-2005, 02:29 PM
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BTW, in the same Quattroruote issue that the Fiat 2300S picture came from, I also found a drawing of a Boneschi 2000 coupe:
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07-13-2005, 02:46 PM
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Wonderful pictures, Ruedi, thank you for those!
Yes, the rear parts of these two cars show a much greater resemblance to the mystery spider than the Pininfarina 6c3000CM. However, what all four cars have in common are the curved, narrow horizontal rear lights which, in my opinion, play a very determinative stylistic role in shaping the rear parts of all the cars mentioned.
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07-13-2005, 03:46 PM
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Stu:
Isn't Delmas Greene's Vignale coupe actually a 102 series car and not a 106 as you stated? I judged that car several years ago and recall the cast iron 2 liter under the hood and the distinctive 102 nose and scoops.
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Oops...your'e right....Delmas' car is one of 47 Vignale bodied 102 series cars (and all the 102 Vignales have a seperate serial number prefix). I'm not sure how many Vignale bodied 106s were built, if any..
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07-16-2005, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dretceterini
There are 2 Boneschi 2600s that look somewhat like the car pictured; one is a coupe and one is a spider
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Originally Posted by tubut
BTW, in the same Quattroruote issue that the Fiat 2300S picture came from, I also found a drawing of a Boneschi 2000 coupe:
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I found this 1960's ad with a Boneschi coupé in the background. Could this possibly be the Boneschi 2600 coupé?
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07-16-2005, 05:29 PM
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Klaas, the hubcaps and wheel rims indicate that this may not be an Alfa. Marcel Schaap (also in the Netherlands) has a picture of the Boneschi Coupe on his web site. This car is probably the Boneschi 2000 prototype described in Quattroruote (the drawing may well be based on the photo on Marcel's web site).
The Boneschi Alfa Romeo 2000 prototype was shown at the Salone di Torino in 1962. At the same event, Boneschi also showed a Maserati 3500 that looked very much like the Alfa 2000 coupe. Therefore, one coud expect that a 106 coupe would look very much like either one of these cars. On the other hand, maybe there was a typo in Quattroruote and the Boneschi 2000 coupe is really a 2600. A picture of the engine compartment would clarify that. I presume the Boneschi Alfa Romeo coupe is somewhere in a collection. Does anybody know where?
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07-17-2005, 07:07 AM
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I do not believe the white (cream) colored car is an Alfa. It looks like an Iso prototype to me, but I am far from an expert on Isos. The Boneschi 2600 coupe I mentioned is the one pictured on Marcel's web site. I'm sure there are any number of 102 and 106 prototypes, one-offs, and small series cars we haven't seen pictures of.
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07-18-2005, 09:54 AM
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According to the rims and hubcaps of the white car it seems to be an
Osca 1600 GT (Bertone???) The one on the picture is from Fissore.
And the other picture is the only one I can find of the Ghia boddied 2000
Spider from a cover of our Dutch clubmagazine.
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07-18-2005, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by K_Dijkhuizen
I found this 1960's ad with a Boneschi coupé in the background. Could this possibly be the Boneschi 2600 coupé?
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Klaas, I've seen this ad on eBay. There is a caption below the picture that describes the car. Although the caption is illegible in the auction, I believe that is where the seller got the reference to the "Alfa Romeo Coupe 2600 Boneschi 1964" from. I bought other stuff from this seller and, although expensive, I found him very reliable. Therefore, in spite of what I wrote before, I now tend to believe that this could indeed be a 2600 Boneschi coupe.
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