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Adjusting alternator belt on 12v 164
Well, I had to readjust new alternator belt on my daughter's 91 164 12v today.
It squealed in the morning when she first started car and alternator started charging.
In order to do the job and get a good tension on belt I find it is easier to remove right headlight so I could get leverage under alternator by using a short 4" block of a wooden 2x4 placed just behind lip of bumper and a pry bar so I wouldn't damage top of bumper.
Have to loosen four (4) bolts holding alternator bracket to front head and engine accessory mount bracket. Bottom bolt has nut under alternator in bracket that may have to be held with wrench to loosen and tighten.
Lifted alternator with pry bar and long pipe handle resting on wood block and tightened one bolt then released pry bar and tightened rest of bolts and reinstalled headlight.
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Virginia Beach, VA
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Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed - ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B w/AT 1QUIK AG, 91 Argento 164L w/AT aka "Quik Silver 2 - ALFA 4US and 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - ALFISTO.
Rescue projects: Organ donor 91 Nero 164L w/AT and 91 "Old Blue" 164L w/AT
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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05-12-2008, 06:14 PM
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I have always done this by loosening the bolts on the alt. bracket. One is a through bolt to a nut on the backside under the alternator 8^(... I have been able to put enough tension on the alt. belt without going in through the headlight housing port. I never enjoy that job.
Michael
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05-12-2008, 10:00 PM
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I always hated to do this job... I never get it completely right. Since now my headlight is out, I will try this way. -Pavan
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05-12-2008, 10:51 PM
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I developed a method using a harbor freight spring compressor, $10. The technique includes placing a small piece of wood on top of the adjustible section. Turn the crankshaft to get the crank nut flat to pull against. Then tighten between the adjuster and the crank nut. No strong arm tactics required.
In addition, I purchased a small tension measurement device by special order at a parts store. The tension tool is the Gates kricket. So, I could dial in the required tension without any guess work.
I no longer have any 12V engines, so cannot provide pictures.
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05-13-2008, 07:18 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfisto Steve
Lifted alternator with pry bar and long pipe handle resting on wood block and tightened one bolt then released pry bar and tightened rest of bolts and reinstalled headlight.
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I was a little surprised to read that Alfisto Steve didn't have some special, "simple Tool" like the one in my Agriemach (English company) catalogue (below) 
I'm actually thinking of ordering this - and a few other cool things - as it's not exactly expensive and looks like a simple, great idea. However in this politically-correct world we live in, it's probably not the best to call it a "one-man" operation. I know that originally, "man" was short for man-kind, but now it's problematic.
Meanwhile I thought it was only me that used bits of wood and pipe etc. - thought that real engineers always had better solutions 
I have also found that about a week after replacing multi-groove drivebelts, I have to retension them. Gates say to run the engine for ten minutes and re-check tension, but I find it's a week. I'd like to know how 'the trade' get around this - I suppose they set 'em up super-tight (to allow for the stretching) and flog out the alternator bearings in the meantime.
-Alex
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05-13-2008, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexGS
I was a little surprised to read that Alfisto Steve didn't have some special, "simple Tool" like the one in my Agriemach (English company) catalogue (below)
I'm actually thinking of ordering this - and a few other cool things - as it's not exactly expensive and looks like a simple, great idea. However in this politically-correct world we live in, it's probably not the best to call it a "one-man" operation. I know that originally, "man" was short for man-kind, but now it's problematic.
Meanwhile I thought it was only me that used bits of wood and pipe etc. - thought that real engineers always had better solutions
I have also found that about a week after replacing multi-groove drivebelts, I have to retension them. Gates say to run the engine for ten minutes and re-check tension, but I find it's a week. I'd like to know how 'the trade' get around this - I suppose they set 'em up super-tight (to allow for the stretching) and flog out the alternator bearings in the meantime.
-Alex
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Those listings remind of some special tools, etc... only available here:
Little humor please
All Products : KaleCoAuto, Hard to find automotive items!
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Ciao, Alfisto Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
s.patchin@aroc-usa.org
http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed - ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B w/AT 1QUIK AG, 91 Argento 164L w/AT aka "Quik Silver 2 - ALFA 4US and 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - ALFISTO.
Rescue projects: Organ donor 91 Nero 164L w/AT and 91 "Old Blue" 164L w/AT
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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05-13-2008, 04:54 PM
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That site is hilarious 
But..... awwwww, come on, are you saying that my 'fan belt tightener' is fictitious? 
-Alex
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05-13-2008, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexGS
That site is hilarious
But..... awwwww, come on, are you saying that my 'fan belt tightener' is fictitious?
-Alex
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No, I think it would be a great tool to have.
The site I posted used to have some funnier stuff but have replaced some of the really humourous stuff with "new" tom foolery.
Just remember my method uses the next to the wheel the next greatest invention the lever.
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Ciao, Alfisto Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
s.patchin@aroc-usa.org
http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed - ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B w/AT 1QUIK AG, 91 Argento 164L w/AT aka "Quik Silver 2 - ALFA 4US and 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - ALFISTO.
Rescue projects: Organ donor 91 Nero 164L w/AT and 91 "Old Blue" 164L w/AT
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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05-13-2008, 07:23 PM
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I think I might give the engine cleaner a good try!
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05-13-2008, 09:29 PM
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I remove the wheel and fender cover to access the Alternator and use a pry bar to adjust the tension. Very easy leverage from there. I have also done the 2x4 from under the bumper on a jack and jacked up the alternator and adjusted it that way. But I find I can adjust tension perfect this way. Works for me. I guess there's not only 1 way to skin a fish.
Jason
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