04-25-2008, 08:00 PM
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Has Anyone Seen One Worse Than This?
I bought this red 164S 4 years ago with a bad engine. I haven't look at it and needed some parts for the engine I'm building to put in the red car so thought I'd see if I could use the cams and maybe a couple of rods.
Well, here's what I found. My oh my. Bad engine indeed!!!
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1991 164S black parts, parts and more parts
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04-26-2008, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Richard2
I bought this red 164S 4 years ago with a bad engine. I haven't look at it and needed some parts for the engine I'm building to put in the red car so thought I'd see if I could use the cams and maybe a couple of rods.
Well, here's what I found. My oh my. Bad engine indeed!!!
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04-26-2008, 07:12 AM
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I have the piston pin, so maybe I can weld the piston back together and it's good to go? Maybe a couple of hose clamps to secure the liner pieces?
That was #1, some metal pieces had migrated to #3 and bent the intake valve there also.
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1991 164S black parts, parts and more parts
1991 164B Silver Daily Driver
1991 164S Red...rebuilding black engine for red car
1973 Berlina daily driver...rebuilding a SPICA engine for the Berlina
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04-29-2008, 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard2
I have the piston pin, so maybe I can weld the piston back together and it's good to go? Maybe a couple of hose clamps to secure the liner pieces?
That was #1, some metal pieces had migrated to #3 and bent the intake valve there also.
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12V V6 has 192bhp so 6V I3 should still have over 90bhp, enough to push the 164 around 
Also you'll have a spare set of injectors. Doubling the airflow meter output shouldn't be too hard so that the ECU is happy... or maybe have two injectors squirting into each inlet port. I have to admit that the chromed intake tubes won't look quite as nice with only three. And, you'll have a twin-spark distributor.
-Alex
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04-29-2008, 10:16 PM
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Newsflash, Alex, we north american's have 6 cylinders, so I guess Richard will have to settle for a 5 cylinder...  |
04-29-2008, 10:23 PM
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Newsflash, Alex, we north american's have 6 cylinders, so I guess Richard will have to settle for a 5 cylinder... |
I meant to cut the engine in half!
That's why I quoted power of the V6... I have a V6 too, y'know...
Honda have made their new V6 run on three, four, or six cylinders (that was what I was referring to), but I just thought maybe the same could be achieved, with a weight saving, through a careful modification... with the fuel and ignition caveats that I pointed out...
Volkswagen meanwhile make a VR5, so yes you could go down that route, but VW's is a much narrower angle than 60-degrees; I think there might be a problem with the firing intervals of an Alfa V5.
-Alex
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04-29-2008, 10:26 PM
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LOL, just giving you a hard time, buddy.
There are many cars here that have V8's, but only run on 4 of the cylinders unless more power is demanded.
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04-30-2008, 02:06 AM
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LOL, just giving you a hard time, buddy.
There are many cars here that have V8's, but only run on 4 of the cylinders unless more power is demanded.
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Yeah, Chrysler are pushing their 300C here - big-engined cars are not in vogue right now, so they're making a big thing of the V8 that makes itself a four-cylinder...
I knew of someone locally who wanted more power in their FIAT Bambina, so they cut a FIAT 128 engine in half to make a big-ish two cylinder. I never quite knew why, as the power output must have not been a lot more than the air-cooled twin, but they did it and proved it could be done.
-Alex
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