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Reliability is soooo boring!
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Ciao, Alfisto Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
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Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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I always get the comment "I bet that car costs a ton to keep running", to which I say "Not nearly as much as your BMW!" Then I say "If it is soooo unreliable then how did it get to 201,500 miles and counting?" By then they usually just shake there heads and walk away. Yes having mechanical knowledge helps in owning these cars, but they are no where near as bad as the crap that British Leyland put out in the, well pretty much the entire duration of their existence!
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03-27-2008, 07:11 PM
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I agree, considering our 91 models were made in Feb and Mar of 1990 so going on 18 years old and still going and going with 195k and 155k plus miles on them is pretty amazing.
However, our 96 Jeep GC has 227K on it, too. I think pulling routine maintenance and doing those oil changes will make many a car last a long time. Bandaide or no repair or regular oil changes will do in even a 164 or a Jeep.
We still have original engines that have not had heads removed yet.
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Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
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http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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03-28-2008, 10:08 PM
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Reliability is soooo boring! Actually my 164 has been a very reliable mount, if it were not I would have sold it long ago. Sometimes you just have to invest deeply, the return on your investment is always worth it.
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Can i use any r134a rated F type expansion valve for 164?? OEM expansion valves are ridiculously high compared to other OEM ones.
thanks,
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04-25-2008, 04:59 PM
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Can i use any r134a rated F type expansion valve for 164?? OEM expansion valves are ridiculously high compared to other OEM ones.
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They list Alfa but do not have a link to parts for it.
It looks close but whether 164 valve is same size or not I do not know. I think the 3/8" inlet and 1/2" outlet about the same. It has to have that extra small line with brass connector
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Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
sdpatchin@aroc-usa.org
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http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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I took out the compressor, condensor to clean them as you said, by mineral spirits do ya mean PAG oil?.. if not, what are those and where can I find them?? thanks,-Pavan
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04-29-2008, 03:45 AM
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I took out the compressor, condensor to clean them as you said, by mineral spirits do ya mean PAG oil?.. if not, what are those and where can I find them?? thanks,-Pavan
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Which car are you fixing 91 or 95?
As for cleaning condensor and compressor did you have a failure of compressor if not I am not not sure you really need to clean condensor.
I would drain compressor and measure oil if any left in it and check condition of oil.
If 91 refill with about 5 oz of Ester oil but if 95 refill with PAG oil.
Use new green oring seals.
If you do want/need to clean condensor use special a/c system cleaning solution ands compressed air to flush out condensor.
Do you have vacumm pump and R134a gauge set, etc., to service system?
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Ciao, Alfisto Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
sdpatchin@aroc-usa.org
http://www.aroc-usa.org/tech/index.asp
http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"
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04-29-2008, 08:09 AM
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No PAG oil is PAG oil and mineral spirits is mineral spirits - apples and oranges.
Which car are you fixing 91 or 95?
As for cleaning condensor and compressor did you have a failure of compressor if not I am not not sure you really need to clean condensor.
I would drain compressor and measure oil if any left in it and check condition of oil.
If 91 refill with about 5 oz of Ester oil but if 95 refill with PAG oil.
Use new green oring seals.
If you do want/need to clean condensor use special a/c system cleaning solution ands compressed air to flush out condensor.
Do you have vacumm pump and R134a gauge set, etc., to service system?
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I will drain the old oil and fill it with Ester Oil. Do i need to clean the hoses?? I dont have a vacumm pump, but once everything is fixed and in place, I will take it for a vacumm test and recharge. I have a r134a gauge set.
thanks,
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'm fixin my 93 with r134a. I haven't drained the oil yet from compressor. Also at the fittings of the pipes to condenser, do we have to use any special sealant?? I see some white stuff on the threads. I will get a set of green O-rings tonight and fix all the dings on the condenser fins (especially at the bottom where the condenser is open to road grit/dirt). I am no sure if the compressor is bad, the pulley runs freely with no noises coming out of the compressor. Also I am not sure if there are any leaks in compressor, if I have to check the leaks and fix them, where can I get those gaskets for it??
I will drain the old oil and fill it with Ester Oil. Do i need to clean the hoses?? I dont have a vacumm pump, but once everything is fixed and in place, I will take it for a vacumm test and recharge. I have a r134a gauge set.
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Shaft seal is replaceable if you have seal and tools to remove and install.
Clutch pulley bearing is replaceable.
Search 164 tab for my info on SD-709 compressor for more info and pictures.
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Ciao, Alfisto Steve
Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
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http://www.aroc-usa.org/tech/index.asp
http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
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04-29-2008, 06:52 PM
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guess wht.... there isnt a single drop of old oil in the compressor... wonder where it went  . The only oil I see is the oil to the drain plug... does this mean my compressor is shot or something might gone bad in it  ?? -Pavan |
04-29-2008, 07:20 PM
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guess wht.... there isnt a single drop of old oil in the compressor... wonder where it went . The only oil I see is the oil to the drain plug... does this mean my compressor is shot or something might gone bad in it ?? -Pavan |
Was compressor working and system had freon? Was it noisy? I suggest you fix leaks, change input shaft seal, add about 5 oz of ester oil reinstall compressor have system evacuated with vac pump, add dye and freon and check for leaks.
Use new receiver dryer along with expansion valve, too.
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Virginia Beach, VA
AROC 164 Tech Advisor
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http://www.aroc-usa.org/
Daily drivers: USA models 91 Bianco 164B 5-speed ALFA 4ME, 91 Argento aka "Quik Silver" 164B ALFA 4US w/AT, 93 Rosso 164L 5-speed - semi-daily driver with issues.
164L Rescue projects: 91 Argento aka Non-QS, and organ donor 91 Nero 164L
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05-14-2008, 06:48 PM
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Does anyone have an idea of the total number of green o-rings that I need along with sizes??.. I have to replace rings at both in/out hose connections for condesor and at both connections on compressor along with drain plug and also two/three o-rings on filter/drier (I am not sure if the new filter come with O-rings on inlet/outlet and trinary switch) and I need two for inlet and outlet for expansion valve (here also I am not sure if the new one comes with green o-rings).
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