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ahhhh, I don't have ABS so I don't have the ABS ring Mr Del. I use that tool for alot of different things around the joint here. In my case, IIRC, there is only one direction to attack the ball joint but once attacked, it succumbs. ciao, chris

add: rereading, it sounds like you have the joint disconnected from the arm already. I find it easier to seperate the joint and knuckle first then separate from the arm. But my set up might allow this whereas yours doesn't

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Yes, it's a question !! Under the arm or above the arm. On my car - under. And so it was always, the car was bought new from the dealer. But on all Fiat Croma and early 164, which I repaired, it stood on top.

For removal use a fork and a hammer.

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I really can't remember what I use on the ball joint, but do it still connected to the arm. I've got both the heavy black HF tool and a pickle fork. When one doesn't work, I quickly switch to the other.
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I checked my three 1993 164L's, the ball joints are all mounted on the underside of the A-arm, I think at least two are the original ball joints. However, Jason does provide some convincing evidence that they should go on the topside of the A-arm. Functionally I dont think it matters much, but as I said earlier, topside mounting would avoid pinching the boot.
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" topside mounting would avoid pinching the boot."

This may be precisely the reason why the ball joint was mounted—at the factory—in either position, it depended on the batch of ball joints that they currently were using, some may have had fat boots, others slim.

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you know, living in Italy, it could be they did it however they felt like at any given time. Or sometimes it was after wine break or really who knows.... stuff here follows little orderly logic most of the time. ciao, chris
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I wonder, are there any with ball joints mounted on top from the factory? Sounds like most if not all came with them on the bottom.

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I'd also wonder, if they were supplied by an outside vendor or vendors.... ciao, chris

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Some comparisons. Far right is OEM TRW (NOS) ball joint. Other 2 are not FRAP! One made in Italy and one made in UK.
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I think it is one of those things alfa does like Chris mentions. So many strange things came out of Alfa.

Looking at parts catalog too, looks as though the ball joint should be on top, otherwise my thinking would place the ball joint under the control arm as to be in proper location.



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Pictures can not be trusted.
Part catalog MOOG - is clearly visible from below.


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stuff here follows little orderly logic most of the time
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