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BB4 - 1993 164L How goes it REHAB thread

Thought I would start a new story board on the free black 93L project:

What did you do Alfa...

Number three plug was the hardest to get out and the only one with bad plug well rubber gasket that soaked the plug with oil.
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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Are you able to remove all 3 rear plugs without removing air pendulum ?
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Not to answer for Steve, but, of course. I never remove the air plenum to access the rear plugs. Use a 6" and 3" extensions with a good plug socket. I use finger tips cut off of old rubber gloves at all the joints to make sure none of them come apart when I'm pulling the plug out. I can usually get them out with only removing the wiring off the IAC, but access is better if you remove the oil separator and hose from the IAC to the big black hose.

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Same here. Have never had to remove the 12V plenum. Yes, tight fit, but quite doable. The 24V engine is really a different situation, alas.

One reason I use the Iridium plugs in all the cars, since I don't have to remove them for many k's of miles.

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Well, R2 and Del 1, to answer 419 Guy NO I did not have to remove intake plenum. However, comma.

Hold that thought, pizza just arrived and I R hungry been a long day again. More on that later.

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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OK here was the deal on what I had to do to get to rear plugs. Because the plugs wires would not release from plug and I didn't want to destroy wiring pulling on them I had to do the following to get a pry bar under the plug wire top hats:
1.Removed L-shaped hose from OVS to rear valve cover to get to number 1 wire top hat (pretty standard op for me).
2. Removed IAC from rear of plenum to be able to pop up both #2 and #3 plug wires.
3. Then had to flex top hats on all three wires to get them to clear intake plenum. "Hard hats" from old age make it even harder.
Note: This is a later 12v engine that has the intake plenum mounted on three rubber bushing that screw into rear valve cover so plenum seems to be moved further back over parts of plug wire hats not like earlier 164s with hard mounted intakes/

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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It's ALIVE, non-BB4 is Alive!

I got non-Black Beauty IV (non-BB4) to run today. It had a bad motronic engine management computer. I moved it under its own power to line up with other 3 164s. I also found out it has massive fuel leak in fuel return line hose coupling at firewall by power steering pump area and it has NO BRAKES, too!

Brake fluid reservoir empty but clutch still worked and since the clutch fluid supply port is higher up on the fluid food chain in that reservoir I was amazed. Guess the brake fluid system leak left a couple pump of fluid left in clutch master.

Lucky I was able to start it up drive it forward and turn it around and drive it back into driveway.

Next time I get the time to play with it I will have to replace those short fuel hoses at base of firewall. Probably will have to at least remove P/S pump pulley to get enough access room to change hoses. I hate that job as much as I hate changing a starter.

I ended up lining up the four blackies going from right to left in the order I acquired them.

BB1 164L Nov 2009, BB2 164S June 2011, BB3 Mar 2016 and non-BB4 also Mar 2016.
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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Great picture. Almost looks like a dealership, probably more than many of them had in stock.

Clue for you to have a 5th, as R2 is willing to sell his black one, lol.

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Great picture. Almost looks like a dealership, probably more than many of them had in stock.

Clue for you to have a 5th, as R2 is willing to sell his black one, lol.
My Number "Five Alive" is the non-black white 91 164L aka the ex-Fred DeMatteo ride located in the backyard. I got it running, too but steering rack system is big leaker.

I need no more "input" of 164s right now. Maybe I will save the Euro trailer hitch off Fred's 91L and let that non-black one go?

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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OK, found brake line leak this morning. It is the same pesky 60569370 Right rear steel line that runs from brake compensator valve in rear crossmember to area under gas tank filler pipe in R/R wheel well.

This is the same line that was clamped off on BB2 with vise grips when it came to me from PA. We also relpaced same R/R line on Joe's 164B with 164S engine.

So anybody got one spare R/R 60569370 line as my two spares went on BB2 and Joe's 164B?

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Same line ruptured on hit and run. My spare got used.

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I may have one, but can't check until this coming Saturday.
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I may have one, but can't check until this coming Saturday.
That is fine no hurry.

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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That is fine no hurry.
Called Dean Russell, he had a OEM new 60569370 R/R brake line in stock so he is sending it to me.

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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