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Old 04-13-2008, 06:27 PM
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Is there a valve in the ZF to regulate transmission fluid flow through the cooler (like an engine coolant thermostat) ???
That's what the plumbing diagram shows.
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That's what the plumbing diagram shows.
It is ON the front of tranny not IN it. Part of plumbing for oil cooler.
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Old 04-14-2008, 04:12 AM
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It is ON the front of tranny not IN it. Part of plumbing for oil cooler.
That's what I meant
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Old 04-15-2008, 02:01 AM
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Cool 166 sportronic trasmission

Anybody there can tell me how to top up the oil of the 166 sportronic trasmission? Also where can I buy a service manual for the 2001 166> Thankyou.
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Try this ebay listing:

eBay Motors: 1999-2006 Alfa Romeo 166 (item 140141164720 end time Apr-18-08 11:27:32 PDT)
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Thankyou Steve.
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Thanks Alfisto Steve, Linda, and Nat for the valuable information.
Another 164 lives to see another day !!

I had this problem for about five years and finally made the above phone calls.
Nat overnighted the parts and both Stewarts from APC installed the spring with ease.

The transmission shifts flawlessly now, I should have done it years ago.

While generally a lurker, I have upgraded my account to Gold Subscriber to thank those mentioned.
I encourage others to upgrade as well.

Thanks again !!

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Old 05-15-2008, 06:04 PM
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Bruno transmission death

1989 model, 4 speed auto.

I know I should have changed the tranny fluid last year when I got the car (it was starting to turn black) but I was so happy I got it registered I just drove it.

Then, it started making a sharp noise with a clunk when changing up.

Then, one day when it was hot, it forgot how to change out of first but fixed itself.

Then, the other day, it forgot to change out of first until I backed off, then it lost drive altogether until stopped, when it found first again (drove home at 6000rpm which was kinda cool).

I'm not sure where to start - I guess I'll flush the fluid and change the filter first and see what happens - I have a new filter handy. It doesn't seem like it fits the failure modes detailed in this thread though - unless leaking governer seals would cause this problem (fingers crossed).
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:09 PM
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1989 model, 4 speed auto.

I know I should have changed the tranny fluid last year when I got the car (it was starting to turn black) but I was so happy I got it registered I just drove it.

Then, it started making a sharp noise with a clunk when changing up.

Then, one day when it was hot, it forgot how to change out of first but fixed itself.

Then, the other day, it forgot to change out of first until I backed off, then it lost drive altogether until stopped, when it found first again (drove home at 6000rpm which was kinda cool).

I'm not sure where to start - I guess I'll flush the fluid and change the filter first and see what happens - I have a new filter handy. It doesn't seem like it fits the failure modes detailed in this thread though - unless leaking governer seals would cause this problem (fingers crossed).
Hope all goes well for you but "thou shalt not forgo scheduled maintenance'.

Black fluid not a good sign.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:16 PM
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Yeah, I hear you on the black fluid. If I was to take a guess, I'd say one of the clutches is burned out and the clutch material has gummed up a valve somewhere. Might be an opportunity for a 6 speed conversion :-)
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Yeah, I hear you on the black fluid. If I was to take a guess, I'd say one of the clutches is burned out and the clutch material has gummed up a valve somewhere. Might be an opportunity for a 6 speed conversion :-)
Hmmm.

Drained 3.5l of filthy, black, not very slippery tranny fluid (not burnt smelling though). Poured in some Shell Dexron III on special at your local friendly K-Mart.

Test drive reveals: still busted.

What's my next step? I'm thinking that I will drain the fluid again, pull the filter out of the bottom and pop the top off to have a look at the easily reachable pieces as detailed further up in the thread. However, I think this transmission is stuffed and I'll need to source another one or rebuild it.

The craziest thought that went through my head was to yank the engine, buy a broken GTV6 and build a 3.0l road rocket, but I like this car too much. Anyone got a second hand tranny in oz they want to sell for cheap?
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Old 06-15-2008, 02:14 AM
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spring for auto

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Enzo,

Did you source the springs in Australia ? If so, from who/where ?
Sorry for the delay. I found the spring at Beninca Motors in Surrey Hill-Melbourne, cost AD $ 30 If you neede more help, please let me know.
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164 tranny info

Bumping up again.
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