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Old 09-25-2009, 10:01 AM
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with my son's 164 actually sounds like it's more a rings issue...sounds like some piston slap when cold
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:03 PM
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with my son's 164 actually sounds like it's more a rings issue...sounds like some piston slap when cold
Do you mean hot? This is pretty much "normal" with 164s with over 100-150k on engines.

Oil is cheap compared to engine rebuild or even head redo.
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Old 09-25-2009, 12:28 PM
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FWIW, the "other red S" belongs to a guy in my neighborhood. I've not seen the car but I've met the guy and he seems honest. His Spider is very clean and he seems to take good care of it. I would agree that it will take some $$ to get it in shape but I'm guessing it has been well maintained over the years. It just gets to the point where at 145k things start to wear out at an amazing pace. Man I like Red Ss...

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I had the heads recently rebuilt on my 130,000 miler and uses about a quart/600mi. That makes me think it isn't all valve seal related.
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Do you mean hot? This is pretty much "normal" with 164s with over 100-150k on engines.

Oil is cheap compared to engine rebuild or even head redo.
no I actually meant cold.....isn't piston slap more common when the engine is cold....and it goes away when the pistons expand due to the heat? I may very well be off, this is my first experience with a V6 Alfa, and with what I was told is piston slap
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Old 09-25-2009, 04:30 PM
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no I actually meant cold.....isn't piston slap more common when the engine is cold....and it goes away when the pistons expand due to the heat? I may very well be off, this is my first experience with a V6 Alfa, and with what I was told is piston slap
Could be both hot and cold I guess but "piston slap" I hear on a couple of ours is when engine is hot not cold.

I think bearing ratle more common cold than hot, at least we have one like that until oil pressure builds up after cold start.
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FWIW, the "other red S" belongs to a guy in my neighborhood. I've not seen the car but I've met the guy and he seems honest. His Spider is very clean and he seems to take good care of it. I would agree that it will take some $$ to get it in shape but I'm guessing it has been well maintained over the years. It just gets to the point where at 145k things start to wear out at an amazing pace. Man I like Red Ss...

If you John, or anyone else would like me to take a look at it just PM me. If it ends up going for under a grand it may well be a decent deal...
Thanks for the offer. I think that car is a good example of the problems of selling a problem car long-distance on ebay. For me, I'd say that car is about a $2.5 car, if it was decent shape with a serviceable engine and windshield. If I could buy the car locally and do my own work, it'd be more attractive at a $1k price. However, if I have to sink at least $2k in shop repairs to make the car just safe to drive, not to mention the hassle of getting the repairs done in a place far away, plus the pickup/get-home costs, then the value as it sits goes way way down.
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As far as I can tell, my 92 S burns about 1qt per 250-300 miles, burning a little more in the city than on the highway. The confusing thing is that I have neither fouled plugs nor smoking, except a black puff on startup (never a blue puff). Think it is valve guides or rings?
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Old 09-28-2009, 12:54 PM
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As far as I can tell, my 92 S burns about 1qt per 250-300 miles, burning a little more in the city than on the highway. The confusing thing is that I have neither fouled plugs nor smoking, except a black puff on startup (never a blue puff). Think it is valve guides or rings?
It is what it is but probably intake valve stem seals. If and when you pull chrome intake tubes and inspect under side of intake valve tulips and find wet carbon buildup that is the seal that is leaking.

Blue smoke on start up usually an exhaust valve stem seal leaking I think.

I get that about every 20-25 starts if leaking valve stem seal valve happens to be open valve on shut down is my theory.

I get black puff sometimes on full accel out of on ramp onto interstate at wide open throttle.
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I suspect that puff of black smoke upon full acceleration would be soot/carbon being blown out of the cat and exhaust system.
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Old 09-29-2009, 11:56 AM
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Yeah, my car was dialed in far too rich when I got it due to a bad O2 sensor, so that is definitely the puff that I am getting. I will need to replace the catalytic converter in the next couple weeks due to the coming of the telltale death rattle. Any ideas on what to use/where to get it?
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The auction expired on that red 164. Last bid was for $4150. I emailed the seller to ask what his real price is. Emailed back and said he had $17k into the car and wanted in the "high 20s." I know some sellers have some pretty unrealistic expectations, but I think that's pretty delusional. Even the newer LS's on ebay are getting no bids with starting bids of $5-6k.
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The auction expired on that red 164. Last bid was for $4150. I emailed the seller to ask what his real price is. Emailed back and said he had $17k into the car and wanted in the "high 20s." I know some sellers have some pretty unrealistic expectations, but I think that's pretty delusional. Even the newer LS's on ebay are getting no bids with starting bids of $5-6k.
Outright Insane. Unfortunately this is not a Collectors Edition 164. Nor a rare Q with low miles found in a basement garage. Heck Not even a Q4 which can fetch High $20's in the US. high 20's with 94K too my goodness. $4100 for it would have been fine, I think more like $2500

Good luck with that one.
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said he had $17k into the car ........
tell him to take his $17K suitcase full of money out of the truck and deduct that amount from his sale price expectation.
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