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Live tech session maybe June 2010 Convention

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...onvention.html

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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03-0380 Alfa 164 12v and 24v timing belt cover part numbers

Ordering Parts from Alfa USA

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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1600 - Alfa 164 Saab 9000 ZF-4HP-18 AT Info 1

Some info and links:

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/164-...r-16-01-a.html automatic tranny repair info

Delayed shift into Drive, 4-3 Downshift reason and pic

Replacing Accumulator A spring in 164 A/T changing accumulator spring

ATSG Saab 9000 supplement manual Saab ZF 4HP-18 Supplement

ATSG homepage Home Page

Saab 9000 4:2 AT service manual Ordering number 361097 English edition 1996

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post #19 of 332 (permalink) Old 12-13-2009, 09:42 AM Thread Starter
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1600 - Alfa 164 Saab 9000 ZF-4HP-18 AT Info 2

Adobe PDF document pages from ATSG Tech manual about problem with NO Forward but OK Reverse - 3-4 and 4-3 traction valves.

Also another view of main body with other parts and upper valve body parts (not related to NO Forward OK revese just to show them:
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File Type: pdf 164_Saab9000_ZF_AT_ATSG_pg26_no_Fwd.pdf (51.8 KB, 440 views)
File Type: pdf 164ZFtranny_main_body_pg16.pdf (47.9 KB, 385 views)
File Type: pdf 164ZFtranny_main_body_pg15.pdf (49.4 KB, 407 views)
File Type: pdf 164ZFtranny_upper_valve_body_pg17.pdf (34.8 KB, 401 views)

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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1600 - Alfa 164 Saab 9000 ZF-4HP-18 AT Info 3 continued

More ZF info about accumulator A spring and poppets:
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File Type: pdf 164ZFtranny_AccumulatorS_spring_pg24.pdf (63.3 KB, 377 views)

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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164 false firewall leaf guard screen

Firewall screen idea to keep leaves from getting into area below base of windshield:

Firewall screen to stop debris accumulation

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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1991-93 Air Bag clock spring change

Alfa 164 Black Beauty 1991-93 Air Bag project

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Alfa 164 Type 31P Batteries info

Alfa 164 Type 31P batteries info

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NAPA battery # BAT 7235 Type 31P is one website calls for 164
CA@32F 1190 CA
CCA@0F 950 CCA
Reserve capacity 195 minutes@ 25 amps
Test state of charge when voltage greater than 12.4v
Load test 475 amp
from NAPA website

I found I have one of each of these Interstate batteries in two of our 164s:

31P-MHD CCA@0F 950 CCA this is one Interstate website calls for ther 164
CA@32F 1190 CA

31P-VHD CCA@0F 660 CCA
CA@32F 825 CA


I have Two Exide 60 Type 27 batteries in other two 164s
CCA@0F 700 CCA
CA@32F 850 CA
Reserve Capacity 120 minutes@25 amps

It doesn't get much colder than 32F here in Virginia Beach.

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Another way to reset 94-95 Air Bag ECU

1994-95 air bag info from Dimtey:

94-95 airbag reset

Dimtey thanks for the info!

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New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Identifying 164 front strut spring perches/retainers

Identifying L/R 164 Front Strut Spring Perches

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Identifying 164 12v cam shafts

http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/mila...tml#post832489

All 12v V6 164 cams:

L/H cam 3033 is longer and has notch at rear to drive 164 distributor and timing mark on #2 bearing journal same as GTV6/Milano.

R/H cam 3031 shorter cam and timing mark on #3 bearing journal same as GTV6/Milano.

164B/L intake lobe height 9.1mm (0.360") exhaust 6.4mm (0.250")
164S intake lobe height 10.1mm (0.400") exhaust 6.4mm (0.250")


I have a set of 164S cams that also have a B698 stamped on end of R/H cam amd B698 stamped on shaft of L/H cam.

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Link to alfa 164 social club thread check us out:

Alfa Romeo Bulletin Board & Forums - Alfa 164 Owner's Social Group

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Removing inner door panel and outer door handle

Replacing Outter Door Handle?????

Removing inner door panel 91-93 164 and replacing outer handle

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You have to remove screw under inner handle to slide piece in front of handle forward away from arm rest inner handle, then remove three screw holding arm rest, next look inside round defog hole in front of upper door panel remove screw inside hole, remove small screw in triangle defog fairing near front of door, remove defog fairing, look for small screw holding rear of upper door panel to door in area behind arm rest remove if installed.

Lower window full down, lift upper door panel straight up off door starting at rear and do not pull out as you lift as there are two fragile plastic hooks that break. Plan on regluing them with J-B Weld or equal as they always seem to break off anyway.

As you lift upper panel upper end of arm rest will unlock from spring lock in door.

Once upper panel off, raise window full up so you can see two 8mm nuts and a notched metal slide plate holding outer door handle to door, remove nuts, plate and remove outer door handle and rubber gasket and lever rod. Pay attention to where/how lever rod plugs into door latch lever inside door by window track.

Now compare new and old handle to be sure you have a correct handle for the position you are replacing as front and rear handles have different length arms that lever rod hooks to.

Install lever rod on new door handle and reinstall rod, rubber gasket and handle into door, align rod into door latch lever as you lower door handle into door. Install notch plate and two nuts/washers to hold outer handle in place.

Test door for proper operation of outer handle, if OK lower window glass again and reinstall upper door panel (repair plastic notch pieces first if broken). Check the three anchor nuts in door panel for arm rest reposition/reinstall as needed. Test screw in threaded to be sure threads in good shape.

Pop upper end of arm rest back into spring lock in door. Hook up wires to light in rear of arm rest, install screws, install defog fairing install rest of screws in round defog hole, under inner handle to hold piece that slides under handle and latches on round plastic tab.

If you are doing driver's side slide panel in front of inner door handle has mirror switch in it and if you have disconnect wiring it has a tricky set of locks to unhook connector.

If you ever have to remove bottom half of door panel it has 5-6 very small screws in very bottom edge of door and it pops onto door with two plastic panel tabs.

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Daily drivers: USA models - 1991 164S Black Beauty II ALFISTO;

Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Changing clutch on 164B/L

Replacing Throw Out Bearing and sleeve on 164 5-speed


Replacing 164 Rear Main seal, Flywheel and Clutch

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

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Where the wires go in 164 12v V6 distributor cap

The 87-93 12v V6 spark plug wiring order in distributor cap:

Alfa 164 12v V6 spark plug wiring order

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Daughter's current ride: BB1 my 164L and Her Granddads 2002 Ford Taurus is back up.

New parts hauler but not car hauler 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland 4.7L H.O. V-8

Needing TLC non-blackbeast the 93 164L

"A day without an Alfa whine is like a day without sunshine"

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